Thursday 18th of September 2014

do not let this idiot get us involved in another war, under the pretence of "caring"...

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Tony Abbott's war-time posturing isn't real, but rather a concocted political spinfest — those who know real fear can tell the difference, writes Sophie Love.

WHEN I WAS 10, my father was commanding a paratroop regiment in Ireland.

It was the height of 'The Troubles' — 1976, the year of the great British drought and the last years of my childhood before the spartan rigours of boarding school.

My father was on the IRA hitlist and every time we were going to use the car, I had to check under it for incendiary devices. I'm quite sure that I didn't really know what I was looking for, but I clearly remember peering under the car looking for anything different or strange. It was my job. Not your average childhood chore!

Every night, my Mother and I would watch the 6 o'clock news, holding our breath, to see if there had been any violence in Ireland. If there had been an incident, we would wait, barely breathing, rigid with fear, to see if my father would phone. If we still had a family. When the telephone finally rang, we would stop breathing again until Mummy heard my father's voice —  then we could breathe. I would go to bed. All was well. For another day.

 

Read more: http://www.independentaustralia.net/article-display/tony-abbotts-wonderful-war-and-the-cynical-politics-of-fear-and-loathing,6851

 

Gus: dropping food parcel to besieged people is one thing, but sending planes to drop ammunitions to whatever "organisations" such as the Kurds, is being a stupid part of war which thus can become a gigantic sore on this planet. The Kurds are deemed to be "terrorists" by Turkey and Iraq, though they are fighting against Isis which we have described as our enemies...

Not only that, the Kurdish PKK which will end up with the Aussie weapons (bought in Europe) has been declared a terrorist organisation by the USA and Australia. Yet we loved the Kurds when they fought against Saddam but loved them less when they fought against the regime we (the US) installed in Iraq...

As Salman Rushdie stated without any ambiguity whatosever, the source of the problems in this region, problems such as Isis, lies exclusively with Saudi Arabia and its push to promote Wahhabism through out the rest of the world.

Because of our addiction to carbon (of course oil) the Saudis have become "our friends" and yet they strongly support Isil against the Syrian government and the Iraqi government... Whether these governments are corrupt or stupid or good is irrelevant.

The question is, will the Saudi and their Wahhabist friends (the UAE) let Isil fall... ?

The UAE has been bombing Syria for while now, on whose behalf?... I would suspect that this was performed on behalf of the Americans and the Saudis, against the Shiites. Meanwhile, the Isis is a Sunni invasion and religious re-invention of Sunnis in Iraq, which has become a US nightmare but a Saudi blessing... It's not going to end well, unless the Americans and their subordinates tell the Saudi to rack off... in a very non-diplomatic way.... Saddam was definitely not as bad as the Saudi king... who is playing a complex game of deceit...

 

do us a favour, press the seat ejector-button, tony...

 

do us a favour, press the seat ejector-button, tony...


At around 4pm, Sky News's David Speers interviewed the Iraqi ambassador to Australia. The arms Australia was providing should be going to the central government, he told Speers, not straight to the Kurdish regional government, comparing the situation to Iraq providing weapons to the Victorian government rather than the federal government. And he hadn't even had a discussion with the government about the issue; he was hoping for one sometime this week, perhaps when Foreign Minister Julie Bishop arrives back from the South Pacific. The fact that no one in the Abbott government had bothered to speak to the ambassador of the country we're about to return military forces to was a staggering revelation.

This, naturally, sat very poorly with Abbott's claim of Iraqi support, leaving the Prime Minister looking as though he had misled Parliament on the very serious matter of putting our defence forces in harm's way.

Fortunately, the Iraqi ambassador's memory was jogged overnight. This morning, at an impromptu media conference as he emerged from the ABC's press gallery offices, he explained that the Iraqi government did indeed support Australia's arming of the Kurds, that Iraq had been consulted via "all the right channels between the two sides" "a couple of days ago" and that his remarks on Sky had been "misquoted" and "taken out of context" (presumably by himself). Baghdad, he explained, was quite happy for the Kurds to be armed. "They're Iraqis," he said, smiling, a statement that might draw a somewhat mixed response in Erbil.

 

Read more at crikey!: http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/09/02/iraqi-ambassador-rescues-abbott-labor-says-trust-us/

 

Meanwhile Labor has been swallowing whole again this US set up con-trick delivered by our own Turd-in-Chief, as Labor, led by that "nice" Simon Crean (later on, backstabber of Julia), back then, swallowed the con-trick of hands from Rattus Howard, when that trilogy of liars decided to invade Iraq... Boy!... When will these grand idiots at labor learn that war or sending weapons is not an option... All it will do is increase the stakes of a bigger war and more terrorism...


Anthony Abbott argues that the beheading of someone justifies "his" intervention in Iraq... Bollocks... This year the Saudis have beheaded 41 people, of which more than half were foreigners. Are we going to drop bombs on the Saudis for beheading people? No... We accept for whatever crook reason in our bend-heart that this represents "justice"... It does not. Beheadings in Saudi Arabia are as bad as those of Isil. All of these beheadings are performed under Wahhbist religious fervour... UGLY ON ALL COUNT.

napoleon — hitler — abbott...

 

 

From Bob Ellis

 

Strange how Abbott thinks wars win votes.

Churchill won one and was voted out by a landslide. Bush I won one, and was voted out by a landslide. Menzies declared one, and was overthrown by his party. Lloyd George won one and, after his subsequent crushing defeat, his party never held office again. Gerald Ford lost one, and was defeated by Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter stuffed up a wartime rescue, and was defeated by Ronald ReaganJohn McCain campaigned for a wider war, and was defeated by a black man. Bob Hawke ‘won’ the Gulf War, and was immediately overthrown by Keating.

Abbott is ignorant of all this, and thinks all Australians (of Italian background, Greek, Macedonian, South American, German, Dutch, Yugoslavian, Indian, Irish, Pakistani, Tongan, Ukrainian) will rally behind a war with Russia, winner of World War 2. What will happen, of course, is that mothers will fear their sons will be killed, and curse, at the family table, him and his wild ideas.

Very few wars win votes. Vietnam did in 1966 but left, after the Birthday Ballot, the Liberal Party accurst. Menzies joined the Korean War and, at the next election, got fewer votes than Labor, after landsliding to power two years before.

And Abbott is now proposing we wage war on those Iraqis we ‘trained’ to defend democracy and are now attacking it ‒ with beheadings and crucifixions and forced conversions ‒ and an imperial vision so barbarous al-Qaeda wants no part of it.

Clearly, our ‘training’ did not work. Nor will our ‘retraining’, if we slaughter this lot, of their surviving Sunni cousins and Shi-ite serial murderers.

Many Australians ‘get’ this and think we should never have gone there in the first place, and are appalled we are going back.

And into a war with Russia to boot — wow.

‘Never march on Moscow’ has been a commonplace of war theory since Napoleon’s time. Hitler did, and it destroyed him. Abbott is now proposing we do this as winter approaches and run up the Australian flag on the onion domes by Christmas Day.

And he thinks the women whose schoolkids’ money he wanted to take away will come back to him because of it.

He doesn’t understand that bringing bodies home is one thing ‒ a good thing, probably ‒ and rescuing, and taking in as refugees, people trapped on a scorching desert mountainside is a good thing too. But going to war with crucifying maniacs, and going to war with the Russians, is another.

And it will destroy him, soon or late, as it did so many before him.

http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/abbotts-wars,6870

 

 

great verdict — wrong decision...

 

The verdict

In most cases, the decision to deploy Australian troops overseas has been bipartisan.

No parliament has ever been given the opportunity to debate Australia's active role in a foreign conflict before the Prime Minister of the day has made a decision about committing to military engagement.

Since Federation in 1901, and for all conflicts since World War I, the Prime Minister and Cabinet have made all decisions about deploying troops.

Ms Bishop is correct.

Read more: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-08/julie-bishop-correct-on-australia-history-at-war/5710696

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Ms Bishop may be correct about who decides on the country going to war but this does not mean that the decision to go to war is correct. It is lunacy for this country to go into yet more conflicts under the cover of whatever excuses. We know that John Howard LIED TO GO TO WAR IN IRAQ. That he decided to do so was his decision, not mine and not that of many Australians who knew he was lying, and the "bipartisanship" was abused in his case. The "bipartisanship" is being abused now over again. 

It's time for parliament to debate the 'reasons' for war and expose them for the crock they are.

 

See toon at top.

 

always a new war with the Liberals (CONservatives)...

 

The Federal Government is sending 600 Australian troops to the Middle East in preparation for military action against Islamic State (IS) militants in Iraq.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott said the United States had specifically requested Australia contribute to an international strike against the militants, who have captured large swathes of territory in Iraq and Syria.

Mr Abbott said around 200 troops would be sent to the United Arab Emirates within days, including a Special Forces contingent "that could act as military advisers to the Iraqi armed forces or to the Peshmerga".

They would be followed by around 400 Air Force personnel, up to eight super hornet aircraft, an early warning and control aircraft and an aerial refuelling aircraft.

Mr Abbott said Australia was "not deploying combat troops but contributing to international efforts to prevent the humanitarian crisis from deepening".

blah blah blah...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-14/australia-to-deploy-military-force-to-uae/5742498

It's uncanny that every time we elect a rattus or a turdy (Liberal —CONservative) government in this country, it's always up to war we go... And on this one we lead up the front, ahead of the Americans... Yippee!!! The pattern started with Menzies (then he got booted out) with regular repeats as if war was de-rigour for little shits like Abbott... I know, our Silver Budgie, the Nuclear industry friend, Mr Hawke, was involved in one as well, but to say the least, he was a bit on the right-hand side of politics despite being "Labor"... Since 2007 when Rudd was elected to the last election in 2013, there was no new wars on the horizon, only the downsizing (towards the end of) of the one started by Rattus-the-First in Afghanistan with his mate Bush-the-idiot... Then they lied about to launch the next one in Iraq. Idiots. 

Stop this lying turd hunger for war and glory! He is trying to look like Napoleon, considering that he now carefully brushes his hair as not to look like Hitler anymore...