Monday 6th of May 2024

on the high wire .....

on a high wire .....

When it comes to the Labor leadership, neither Tony Abbott nor his Coalition voters seem to know what they really want

Should Julia Gillard stay or go as Prime Minister? Should she call an early election or attempt to govern for a full term until 2013?

With these questions in mind, much closer attention needs to be paid to the regular opinion polls that ask voters about what they think of the performance of the prime minister and the leader of the opposition. These polls provide newspapers with a lot of prime content and big headlines but not much else, it seems, in terms of generating serious thinking about these issues. In particular there needs to be much deeper analysis by the media of the contradictions inherent in the popular responses to leadership opinion polls.

The broad outline of community views on our leaders that is provided by the two big polls, Newspoll and the Herald/Neilsen Poll, are quite well known.

The last Herald/Neilsen Poll showed that Tony Abbott was preferred as Prime Minister over Julia Gillard by 50 per cent to 42 per cent with 8 per cent uncommitted. But there are two caveats. First neither leader is popular, though Gillard is especially unpopular. Only 44 per cent approve of Abbott's performance (52 per cent disapprove) and only 35 per cent approve of Gillard's performance (60 per cent disapprove). Second, with the Coalition leading Labor in this poll by 58 per cent to 42 per cent in two-party preferred terms Abbott is not as popular as his party and, it would appear, neither is Gillard. The pattern of the latest Newspoll is broadly similar, though it reports an enormous 24 per cent uncommitted on the question of better PM.

Given that pattern the Herald/Neilsen Poll goes on to ask voters about their preferred Labor leader. Here's where it gets interesting. The Sydney Morning Herald report begins with the proposition that Kevin Rudd continues to lead Julia Gillard as preferred Labor leader by 62 per cent to 30 per cent. But that figure is distorted by the overwhelming pro-Rudd preference of L/NP voters, the much larger group in the electorate at the moment, who prefer Rudd to Gillard by a massive 70 per cent to 17 per cent. Labor voters actually prefer Gillard to Rudd by 52 per cent to 46 per cent. The Sydney Morning Herald front page report notes this fact but doesn't make much of it. There are a number of implications. One is that despite being at such a low ebb Gillard retains the support of Labor voters, which, in one important sense, is what should matter, but that Rudd is still remarkably popular. But why are Coalition voters so anti-Gillard?

One possibility is that Rudd is out of sight out of mind. Another is that they detect particularly unlikeable qualities in Gillard. Yet another is that they are just taking Abbott's lead. In his budget reply speech he called for Labor to replace Gillard. Is this really what Abbott wants Labor to do? He has also called for an early election which, presumably, is something in Gillard's hands unless he wants Labor to change leaders but then have an immediate election. That is a big ask.

When asked furthermore should Labor change leaders, The Sydney Morning Herald gives prominence to the overall figure which is that 50 per cent of the electorate want to change leaders and 45 per cent say stay with Gillard. But again this is a misleading figure because it is distorted by the opinion of Coalition voters. They want Labor to change leaders by a margin of 65 per cent to 30 per cent. Yet Labor voters say stay with Gillard by 68 per cent to 29 per cent. Incidentally Greens voters say stay with Gillard by about the same margin (66 per cent to 29 per cent).

Labor voters make an interesting study in their loyalty and preference for Gillard, but by a big margin Coalition voters are much more interesting. What do they really want and why?

One reading of these polls is that Labor would do much better under Rudd. That is the case if Rudd's greater personal popularity with newly disaffected Labor voters and long-term Coalition voters will bring both groups across to the Labor fold.

Yet there is a contradiction. Some Labor voters admit this possibility that Rudd as leader might be good for party fortunes, but still want to stay with Gillard. Presumably their motivation is either loyalty or a belief that it is now too late to change or that it is inappropriate to change leaders at any time. This line of thinking is explicable.

Less explicable is the reasoning of Coalition voters. They appear to be caught between two stools. Surely they would want Gillard to stay put as PM on the grounds that her unpopularity makes eventual Coalition victory more likely. But instead they say that they want Labor to change leaders. Surely in electoral terms this is strange thinking. If they like Rudd more than Gillard then isn't there a danger for their side of politics that if Labor were to make him leader then it would do better at the next election? Perhaps Labor would do so much better that the Coalition would even be in danger of losing that election. That surely is not what Coalition voters want. But perhaps they dislike Gillard that much.

All this is a version of the old conundrum that any Opposition should secretly wish for an unpopular government leader to keep their job until the next election while publicly trying to drag them down as soon as possible by exposing their weaknesses. In that sense it is not an unusual situation. But neither Coalition voters nor the Leader of the Opposition appear to have thought this through at the moment. Nor have the media outlets that report on the opinion polls.

An Opinion Poll Conundrum

 

open your eyes, mr marius benson...

The Gillard-Labor Government, on its long road to seeming destruction, has rewritten the political rule book and undermined some of the most cherished platitudes of politics watchers.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-25/benson-julia-gillard-game-changer/4033306?WT.svl=theDrum

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Gus: Following this dubious crap comes a crappy platitude analysis of the problems facing Labor — all while trying to be funny, I hope... 

Yes Labor has managed to achieve an economic miracle considering the rest of the world is tanking... And it had not been easy. All the decisions that have actually helped this fact have been constantly poopooed by the media and the opposition... But facts are facts, the Australian economy is cooking better than most and NOT JUST BECAUSE MINERS ARE DIGGING BIG HOLES... Sure, it's not perfect for everyone, but in general it's far better than under Rattus — who, of course, enjoyed the sunny side of the world before it tanked...

The only destruction of the Labor party comes presently in the form of a couple of dubious/non-dubious characters, yet NONE OF WHICH HAVE BEEN CHARGED for their conduct which at present is in the stage of hysteria in the media and frothed up by the opposition, led by a little big-shit-stirrer called Abbott...

According to Marius, that ABC shock jock who wrote this piece of crap at the Drum, because Wilkie has buckled at the knees and accepted a toned down version of his Gambling Addiction bill means that Julia is weak... Piss off, mate... Wilkie knows that's the only way of getting somewhere as the opposition is opposing ANY worthwhile gambling reforms... or anything that Labor is doing... And Julia knows that she cannot get anything else from some of the Labor heavies... 

"On that evidence unity can also be death, or at least involve a strong sense of that final fate." Hey ease orf, dorky! Yes we guess... but at this stage of the game the bear is still breathing and much work has been achieved, is being achieved even if done under difficult circumstances...

And then you announce that Abbott will dismantle everything Labor did after "his victory", anyway.... Piss off. Why don't you spend a bit more time explaining what crap Abbott is truly about? And why don't you explain clearly the need for a carbon tax anyway? Why don't you tell us the real worth of caring for the environment including the atmosphere THAT IS WARMING UP DESPITE WHAT OTHER SHOCK JOCKS ARE SPRUIKING. Why don't you piss on Abbott for his crazy ideas?...

Hey, look at Fury the O'Barrell... who with the help of the "fisher and gunner" party is working hard at dismantling the purpose of National Parks... Read all the crappy stuff Barrie is doing... Of course little of this is made public as the media is licking the Liberals (conservatives)' butt or trying to frame Thomson... Read the NSW Labor Opposition website...  Open your bleeding eyes, you're a disgrace for writing half-baked comments...

stricking for division...

 

THE federal cabinet is divided over the integrity of the Prime Minister, with senior ministers disputing her claim she did not know until the last minute about a deal to allow Gina Rinehart to import 1700 workers to help build a massive iron ore project in Western Australia.

With the issue placing fresh pressure on Julia Gillard's leadership, the ministers Martin Ferguson and Chris Bowen have told colleagues they had been hung out to dry by the Prime Minister as she distanced herself from the policy to placate a backlash from the unions who support her.

The ministers' backers were saying yesterday that Mr Bowen had informed Ms Gillard's office the week before last that Ms Rinehart would be the first to be granted an enterprise migration agreement. This would enable her company, Hancock Prospecting, to import 1715 workers to help build the $9.5 billion Roy Hill iron ore project in the Pilbara.

''It was inconceivable her office wasn't up to their neck in this,'' said one minister. ''Of course she knew,'' said another.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/pm-questioned-over-rinehart-workers-deal-20120527-1zd7a.html#ixzz1w6vQSAay
Of course at the end of the article the SMH runs a poll on "do you think Julia knew blah blah blah.... In which 99 per cent of readers claim Julia knew whatever...

The point here is that Chris Bowen is a Rudd supporter... Hello? Anyone in the paddock?

Bowen would have to know that:
a) the PM was overseas and preoccupied with many issues,
b) that the issue of foreign workers for Gina would be a hot potato...
c) that the press was fanning a new Rudd-fire under Gillard seat,
d) that the issues of Slipper and Thomson were still simmering hot,
e) that the mining tax was a hot potato between Gillard and Gina,
f) Bowen could have waited till Julia came back to Australia and talked about the possible workers deal, with the PM face to face, or in cabinet...

Do I smell a rat?.... Of course... Bowen chose the moment to strike... 
Rudd's hand in this? who knows...

 

carbon-less carbon adverts...

They were criticised for not mentioning climate change or the carbon price but the federal government's advertisements promoting the associated compensation for householders appear to have achieved their political goal.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/carbonless-ads-hit-their-mark-20120618-20kbn.html#ixzz1yCVUDNB9